Aug. 22, 2023
Navigating the World of Poultry Educational Resources, Part 1
Imagine having the key to unlock the wealth of poultry rearing knowledge. This episode promises to hand you that key. We guide you through the labyrinth of poultry husbandry, lending you our insights and expertise every step of the way. From setting realistic goals to developing robust information filters, we've got your back. We help you navigate away from emotional pitfalls and unnecessary drama while emphasizing the importance of consulting experts in the field.
Dive into the sea of resources that aid bird breeding and standards. We tell you where to find the most trusted historical books, how to stay updated with breed standards, and highlight the benefit of reading university studies. You'll learn about invaluable resources like "The Call of the Hen" by Walter Hogan and the treasure trove of PDF books available on http://www.archive.org.
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00:00 - Find Trustworthy Information for Poultry Rearing
05:32 - Resources for Bird Breeding and Standards
17:17 - Educational Resources for Poultry Keepers
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Developing and having trustworthy informational sources are crucial to your success.
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Coming up, we share where and how to find those resources.
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That's right, mandy, and I think one of the biggest expectations, before we get too far into this, is that we need to learn to manage our expectations.
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Mandy, what were your expectations?
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Initially I didn't have any, but it quickly became apparent as I started collecting birds that there was a lot I didn't know.
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And there's so much information out there now, in addition to some of the historical references, that you can go down into a wormhole of information and some of that's going to help you with your flock.
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As far as your husbandry methods, your breeding methods, nutritional aspects, every angle of the bird, all the way to developing the birds and moving forward in a breeding program, there's a lot to know.
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So having your goals really helps and finding out what information you need to keep them going, and then you can just grow it from there and you'll learn more than you ever thought there was to know.
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Oh boy, that's for sure.
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John, what were your expectations starting out in poultry?
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Well, there was a whole lot I didn't know.
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I knew that poultry were a very efficient way to feed people a healthy and nutritious diet if they were tended properly.
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But husbandry methods and raising the birds played such a crucial role in producing a quality bird and I saw that the way that the commercial industry was going was not the direction that I wanted to be with cornish crosses.
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So I kind of knew that I had an uphill battle to get there, to get a heritage breed to perform acceptably and economically.
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I think we all had similar backgrounds.
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I came into the standard bred poultry hobby from a commercial background and I quickly realized that there was a world of difference between those two aspects.
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So I really started with no real expectations for standard bred poultry, partly because of my age I was I was still young then and partly because I knew I didn't know anything.
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I think the one piece of advice I could give folks is to go into this hobby like you're a sponge, wanting to soak up everything.
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But you got to have really good information filters, because there's so much bad information passing around today and internet groups and chat rooms and some of the YouTube videos Some are good, some are not so good.
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So you got to be able to discern for yourself what's good, what applies to your situation and even in some instances farm pages and websites have bad information on.
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So just be careful.
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You know if you have a problem you can contact a friend or in the fancy that you trust, or send us an email.
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We'll help you out.
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Try to avoid claims that sound too good to be true, because they usually very well are not true.
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Try to avoid information that shares only the good parts.
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You know you get on a lot of breed pages and everybody's hitting the good is this, the good is this, the good is this, the good is this.
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But they don't tell you that there's a downside to some of those breeds.
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Try to avoid information that approaches poultry keeping from an emotional point of view.
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Chickens aren't people.
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We don't need to be treating them like people.
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We'd need to remember that poultry, first and foremost, is livestock.
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Try to avoid poultry drama and you have to sort through that with a grain of salt because you can't go into that drama thing and participate.
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It's counterproductive, it doesn't help the hobby, it doesn't help the birds.
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Just keep your distance from all that.
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Yeah, and at the end of the day, we all have to remind ourselves they are chickens.
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You know, it's not worth getting emotionally involved or getting feeling hurt or starting fights and squabbles.
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Chickens aren't worth that, because we need to be able to learn from each other help, encourage and not fight and squabble.
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That's foolish, I'm sorry.
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So going on from there, mandy John, did you have something you wanted to say?
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It doesn't move forward.
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Well, I was just saying it doesn't help to move the breed and the hobby or the fancy hobby business forward.
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It's not helpful at all, it's more than a hobby.
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So, you know, having reliable information that you can trust was very difficult for me.
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First and foremost, that's why I reached out to some experts who you know, people who knew more than me, people who have been involved in it a lot longer than me, who can go Mm-hmm, yep, done that.
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So when you do that, this is gonna happen.
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And yeah, it did.
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Let's talk about some resources that people can refer to that we have found helpful to us.
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So, John, let's start with you.
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Watch out there.
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What have you found helpful and what would you encourage other people to look for?
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Well, coming from the academic background, I spend a lot of time on ResearchGate and ScienceDirect and places like that, actually looking at peer reviewed scientific publications.
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And the industry has put a lot of research and funding into developing birds and we can ride on a lot of that information.
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I mean, just because our birds aren't exactly the same, they still have the same physiology and the same needs.
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So let's take advantage of that wealth of information and it's out there and it's free.
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You know, somebody else has already paid for it and we can trust it, I believe, because they've put millions of dollars into this research, mapping out every second of that bird's life, from egg to customer.
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It's really interesting when the university studies take a look into parasite problems, disease problems, what causes the nutritional deficiencies and what that looks like.
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There's a lot of really good information that can help you potentially get an idea of what may be going on with your flock if you do encounter problems, and those sources are a lot more helpful than just taking the social media and asking what's wrong with my bird, because you're gonna get an entire assortment of responses that may or may not be helpful and it can be a lot to muddle through versus if you have an idea of where to look, you could do more research and then also a lot of the universities.
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If they have a veterinary extension, they can help you out more with diagnostics and you can also reach out to your local agricultural contacts.
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Every state has a department and they can help a lot with what's common in your area.
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What about historical books?
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Do y'all see any value in historical publications?
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Absolutely.
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I haven't read as many as I would like to have, but that's where the methods were at the beginning of their development, especially coming out of the late 1800s and the early 1900s when a lot of varieties were still being developed.
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How they got where they got to can be in those publications.
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Definitely.
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I think everybody who's serious about breeding needs to have a copy of the standard of perfection, the current one, but also, if you can get a hold of it, a copy of the year that your breed of choice was admitted, because that's probably gonna have the most information on the breed.
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That's when everybody sat down around the table and said, okay, this is what makes this bird.
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And things can fall off along the YA as preferences shift or they also have a new addition coming out, so what?
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Was occurring.
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Yes, reserve yards now.
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Yes, the special 150th edition and there's probably some breed amendments in there as well, if I've been paying attention to that correctly where they went in and fixed some errors that were in the prior edition, which is the edition I have.
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So I'm curious to see what changed.
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But that brings to the question do we wanna breed to the old standard or the current standard, or pick a standard and stay with it?
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I guess, Maybe it depends on which standard suits your flock goals better.
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Well, if you were showing your bird, then you gotta go by the most current standard.
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Okay, breed standards will change, have change in the past.
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They don't change frequently and it's not an easy thing to get a breed standard changed, but it is possible.
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But I think the most important information we can get out of the standard of perfection yes, the breed standard is important, but I think even more important is those first 38, 39 pages of definitions and terms.
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What are defects, what are disqualifications, how are they described?
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Or something more important than others?
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It's important to have the most current standard because that has the most up-to-date and approved information in it.
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Now, when folks have a variety that's not in the standard, because, if I'm thinking of it correctly, there's 53 recognized large-fowl varieties in the standard, and then there's some breeds out there that are popular but they're not in the standard.
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Right and mandolin.
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I'll use breads as an example because I know you're probably more familiar with breads than some other breeds.
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But in that case where you're working with a breed that's not approved, hopefully you have a breed club or a working group established that has created a proposed breed standard describing to birds what they should look like, what their economical qualities are and so on.
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So if it's not an approved breed, go to the breed club or group that's working with that breed.
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If there's not a breed club or group working with that breed, for example, you kind of have to find a breeder who's willing to mentor in that situation.
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Well, oftentimes, if they were imported to the US from other countries, it is possible that for many of them you can go to like and I forget the one in Europe.
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But go to the European countries and look for their breed standards that have been approved, that can guide you and in many cases they wind up being and the American standard winds up being very, very close to what they were in the country of origin.
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For example, in morons the American standard you could have bred birds to the French standard and the American standard and been successful.
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You know those two standards are very, very close.
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Yes.
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I think they should be, but yeah, there shouldn't be any significant changes to a variety the moment it changes geographical location.
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They should still be similar.
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Yes, I agree, because that's what attracted us to them to begin with.
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Well, that's why they're standard bread.
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Maybe that's not because we like to look something, but we like the way they perform, or they productive birds.
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Marams get tricky because the UK standard, I believe it calls for a clean leg instead of a lightly feathered shank.
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It does in some varieties but not in others.
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I know cuckoos in England have clean shanks, but I believe and I may be wrong here, but I believe black coffers have feathered shanks.
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Well that's weird.
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Yeah.
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At one time there was a group here in the US that wanted to have feathered shanks and non-feathered shanks of the same color variety.
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Let's split the variety.
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Yes, well, that's not confusing at all.
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Well, if you stop and think about it, in a sense it's no more confusing that we have single comb white legged and rose comb white legged.
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That's helpful for cold environments.
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Yeah, cold horniness.
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I can see where the comb differences would have a tolerance Does the rose comb leg horn have smaller waddles as well?
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Nope, they should be identical.
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They should be identical in type, with the exception of color.
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That should be the only difference.
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I was fascinated going through.
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Sorry, John.
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I was just thinking.
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Waddles in the water when they're drinking in the winter is a bad thing.
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This is true, but I was just thinking about all of the differences in the varieties.
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When you break that standard open, the beginning of the book is really useful.
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The first 38 pages is not read specific.
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That is some valuable information.
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It doesn't even go into everything, it just lightly touches on some things.
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Then after the beginning it breaks down into each individual breed.
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What caught my eye about it is when I started going through the dual purpose varieties.
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There's a lot of words that are similar in what the frame should be when it describes the bird.
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That was really interesting.
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The commonality is between the.
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Some say that the show type is not performance bred, but when you actually get into that breed standard it reads like they're supposed to be.
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Well, that's exactly right, backed by utility, yeah.
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Yeah, breeds, and particularly American-class breeds, were created for a specific purpose Initially.
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That purpose was not exhibition, that purpose was production.
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You enter a hen for a show, you should enter her laying record for the previous six months along with her.
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Well, they only have so much time to judge.
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You can't put so much in there that it slows down the process, because even getting people together for a two-day show, taking up the whole weekend, there's a lot of logistics in there.
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So I can understand when things fell off.
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For the sake of efficiency.
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But if there was a spot on the Coupe card for a number of eggs per weekly, yeah, but what's your proof?
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People could fill in.
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Kind of an honor system.
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There isn't.
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But I think poultry people are most, for the most part, honorable people.
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There isn't feather plucking and faking going on.
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There's a way to kind of work around that.
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I know Mr Reese, who was my mentor in Rhode Island Reds, used to have a little.
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It was probably a four by six piece of heavy card stock, but he had printed on there the fact that his birds were tratenisted and bred for production as well as for their exhibition quality.
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I wonder what his rate of call is when he's getting more stock for himself.
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Pretty heavy, I bet.
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Well, it would have to be.
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That's something we never talked about His birds.
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He had learned the trick to breeding them to be extremely uniform.
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I mean it was like literally looking at peas in the pod.
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You could put a group of females together and they all looked the same outwardly.
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They all had the same shape, same color, the same view of color.
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It was unbelievable.
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I think that's one of the biggest compliments a breeder can get is hey, your bird is extremely uniform.
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That's a huge compliment.
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His rate of call was probably far less than my rate of call with his birds simply because I put which is a normal thing, I put selection pressures on different areas based on what I thought the standard said or how I interpreted the standard, but to get him there he had to be extremely selective.
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Oh yes, yes, and that's the one thing he hammered me.
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He said when you're starting, you need to be keeping 10% or less of all the chicks you raised to adulthood, because it's those high quality chicks that are going to produce your best birds and help move your flock forward.
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Well you turn me on to an excellent book by Ralph Sturgeon that talked about that and it said you want to start your flock, your foundation, with the one in a hundred, the truly outstanding specimen.
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That never throws a bad chick.
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I haven't found that bird yet in my flock.
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That bird can be hard to identify.
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I can be hard to identify, yeah.
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But if you're hatching out hundreds of chicks, you do have a pretty wide genetic pool to be searching from, and it just takes years of training your eye in your hands to get you there.
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That's the one thing that I like about standard red poultry is it's always a journey.
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It has never been a destination.
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You never get them to the state of perfection that you want, so that drives you to learn more, acquire new skills to improve your birds along the way.
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I find it ironic that it's called all this action, and anybody who breeds birds says there's no such thing as a perfect bird.
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And there's not.
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It's just something to aim at.
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Yeah.
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It's fun.
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It's that big, hairy, audacious gold somewhere down the road that we're going to Sure but never quite make it.
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So what other resources can we use to guide us on our journey?
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I think historical resources for standard red poultry folks are really important, because what happened in America is that for many, many years standard red poultry were production poultry.
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They were the ones that hatcheries were using.
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They were the ones that hatcheries were promoting.
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They were the ones that were on the farms producing eggs and meat for sale that drove a good portion of a farmer's income.
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And then that was the case up until the 1940s, when we begin to see the introduction of hybrids, especially in layers, you know, and then ultimately in thanks to the bird of tomorrow contest.
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That was a really driving factor behind creating the Cornish Cross, and even back then the Cornish Cross is not what it is today, but I kind of digress there.
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So if you can find some good historical references, a good place to go is Internet site archive, archiveorg, and there's some books there I would encourage you to take a look at, to really study, and you can download free PDF copies of these books.
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That way you can print them out or you can just have them at your beck and call anytime you want to fill them up off your computer.
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But a good book that has helped me a lot in learning how to use my hands is called the Call of the Hand by Walter Hogan.
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It will teach you how to use your hands to better evaluate birds bodies.
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Because, let's face it, what we see it's a feather outline.
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It's not the actual birds bodies.
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And birds bodies are really really important.
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If you don't have a good body, you don't have a good skeletal systems to support weight, you don't have good body capacity for efficient transfer or efficient digestion of food and and room for a really good reproductive tract.
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You don't have a good chicken.
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But I Will say one thing.
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I need to throw a disclaimer in there.
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Oh, walter Hogan, it was a phrenologist by training, and If you don't know what a phrenologist is, is it somebody who thought they could predict a person's personality traits by the way, just by the bumps of their skull?
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And?
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And he, he starts out really good in that book.
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But when he gets over to the part about predicting a bird's ability to lay eggs by feeling the bumps on their noggin, just, maybe take that part out of the book.
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So, but there is a lot that you can tell about the bird from its skull.
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Oh, yeah yeah, just not how many eggs it's gonna lay, based on the number of bumps in certain areas.
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You can see how wide the body is gonna be, and that'll help with production.
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That's right.
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You know why it's gold give you wide bodies, and there's gold to give you narrow bodies.
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Have you talked about the eyeball trick yet I?
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Was saving that for later.
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Well, we can do that later since you baited the trap, I'll fall into it.
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But when you hatch baby chicks or and this works with whether the baby chicks are or further down the line, but you can look straight down on the top of their heads and if you can see the eyeball they have a narrow head.
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If you can see a portion of the eyeball, it's a little bit wider head, but if you can't see any eyeball, that's a wide hit which will give you the widest body.
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But it all has to be relative up until how old is this inaccurate indicator?
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From the day they asked, of the day they die.
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So I can go out to the flock right now and blow through that entire barn full of all the age groups and Sort them by head width, and every single one with a wide head is gonna have the matching wide body.
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My handy-dandy calipers.
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Of course we're gonna talk about tools in a later episode and something like that.
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I use my hands and remembering to grab that tool.
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That'll be tricky, but I'm gonna try.
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Your hands are always at the end of your arm.
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You never know, I look for.
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While we've really digressed here.
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If you want to improve feather width, measure the width of the primary feathers.
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The wider the primary feathers, pretty much the wider the feathers gonna be on the body.
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Oh yeah, that would be true.
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I Back to the books, though back to the books.
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Yes, another period reference I'd recommend is called breeding and mating poultry by Harry Lamont, and Again, you can get that free on archiveorg.
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Throw a little trivia out here, but why?
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What is Harry Lamont Known for rather other than being a poultry scientist and a good poultry rider?
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Anybody know I?
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Don't know, without asking the Google.
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Got none.
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He created a breed of poultry called, among us, l a m o n a s.
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His name is Bill L a m o n.
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I've heard good things about that variety, but they're not common.
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They're not.
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They were basically extinct at one point and somebody took the time to go in and recreate the breed.
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I Bet, I'd like that person now here's.
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Here's a bit of trivia about Lamont's.
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What's different from Lamont's?
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Then other American breeds.
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We're going to conclude part one of educational resources and stop right here.
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Do you hear my answer to that question?
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And to get more information and educational resources, be sure to listen to part two next week.
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So thanks for listening to this episode of the poultry keepers podcast.
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