Oct. 23, 2023
Insights and Strategies for Poultry Breeding - Part 3
Ever wondered about the fine line between successfully showcasing your poultry and making grave mistakes that cost you the prize? This episode is a treasure trove of knowledge as we discuss the critical process of wing and leg banding, handling techniques, and how the Scale of Points in the SOP guides breeding decisions. Prepare to gain a new perspective and hear some game-changing advice!
This episode is also a deep dive into the challenges and risks of breeding for extreme sizes, with the Cornish Cross Broiler as our case study. We explore the impact of breeding on the chicken's form and function, leading to health issues, and how strategic breeding steps can avert these complications. Additionally, we take a close look at poultry feed and nutrition, emphasizing nutrient-rich diets, additional vitamins, and minerals. Get ready to understand how wise feeding strategies can dramatically improve the health and quality of your birds. Join us on this enlightening journey into the fascinating world of poultry breeding and showing.
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00:00 - Breeding and Showing Poultry
13:30 - Breeding Challenges and Extreme Size Risks
19:26 - Feed and Nutrition for Poultry
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We're going to finish our discussion on starting your breathing program, so why don't we just jump right in there and get started?
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And if you're showing your birds.
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You should not lose points for having a wing band and you won't, you know well, that's a common.
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That's the only real detractor I hear from people's like I want to show my birds, but so what?
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if they're gonna, they'll show bird with a leg band on it and I'll think twice.
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Well, they think that that may cause the wing to droop a little it doesn't if it's properly on there.
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It's not gonna bother them at all and putting it in is Doesn't cause the bird.
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Even an opyr doesn't cause them any distress.
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Right.
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Well, you've been an APA judge for quite a while and you've never it's not part of the chicken.
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Not part of the chicken, I'm just a chicken.
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Not the application of the wing band or leg band.
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Question when y'all put wing bands on, do you put it in the birds left wing or the birds right wing?
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I was planning to use that as an organizational method.
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I've been using the right wing for it then to this point and reserving the left wing for future use.
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For what?
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Another secondary tag?
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Yes for what?
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explain, identify other traits or or other other things you want to track.
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I Always put mine in the birds left wing.
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And you never had cause to use the right?
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Or did you hold that in the wings for future?
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use, never use the right.
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Well, I hold the bird in my left hand.
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Yeah.
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I fan out the what would be the birds Right wing and find my tag and read it.
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So to me it needs to be on that right wing.
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Try it on the left wing is a lot easier.
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Then the birds facing forward.
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Yeah, I always hold a bird in my hand.
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I want the Tip of the Q bomb, front tip of the Q bomb, touching up against the heel of my hand.
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I'm supporting the bird.
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I've got the two fingers in the middle, or the three fingers in the middle underneath the birds body.
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I hold the birds wings.
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Left wing was my right thumb, right wing Excuse me, they're right wing in my right thumb and their left wing Clamp down against them.
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Mine are too big to do that I can have.
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No, they're not no.
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We'll find out November.
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You got the little, teeny, tiny hands, and the reason I use that left wing is because my tendency is, when I'm holding them facing me, I Just fan out to.
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I learned this in judging.
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First thing I do is I hold a bird.
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I'm feeling the link to the key bone as I hold in it in my hand and you know how far does the Q bone go from the heel of my hand towards the tips of finger?
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And you have your fingertips towards the backside of that keel.
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Yeah, the whole keel bones run it through my palm and Right down to my middle finger.
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I've been doing it from the other direction and maybe that's what makes it goofy sometimes.
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It can make it different, but I'm also that's.
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I'm using my right hand to examine the bird.
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I fold out the wing to check the prime agent.
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Second days that's the first thing I do.
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All right, so I automatically begin Putting the wing band in their left wing, because that's the wing I go to first.
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Actually, I wonder if that's a difference between showing and Growing for meat and the way that I've always seen, in the way that I naturally started handling birds.
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Nobody ever taught me how to pick up and hold a bird.
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Yeah, that's where I'm at.
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No one taught me I'm, just when I figured out that if I put it in the palm of my hand with the legs dangling through my fingers and I can tuck the head kind of underneath this arm to shield its eyes.
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It pretty much just goes to sleep in my arm, yeah, and I can do whatever I want.
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Yeah, exactly right.
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The reason the bird against the front of me so I can check the wing on that side and.
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All right, I'm complicating it then is a flap around a lot.
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Some of them you do.
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I'm not supporting them properly exactly.
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Birds have a fear of falling and when they start flopping around it's because they're not comfortable.
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They're afraid they're gonna fall.
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Support them in your hand, some, holding one wing pinky finger, holding another wing against the body, and if you have to stick to the head under your arm, they will not struggle so when your finger, you're pinky in your thumb and they're holding the wing, what part of the wing are you making contact with?
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is it like the tip of feathers?
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Yeah, tip of the, and that's enough yeah, if they, I will say 99 times out of 100 is that's enough.
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If they still struggle, it goes under my arm.
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They get dark, they relax yeah we skipped over the part of talking about the Scale of points in the SOP, to help what.
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And she's right, we didn't need to touch on that.
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I use the scale of points in the standard for perfection To help me guide my breeding decisions.
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Every bird is going to have their faults and every flock Usually will have the same general classification of faults, but common fault it's, and it keeps you from getting fixated on an insignificant trait.
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Yeah, you know exactly.
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How many times have we seen people obsessing over the number of points on a single convert?
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All the time in my all the time.
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Yeah Well it's.
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it's an itty-bitty, it's an every would you necessarily call a sidespring, oh absolutely.
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That's a Corruption would you call six points instead of five?
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No no.
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If everything goes as good, six points doesn't mean anything, because if you go to the scale of points, you know when.
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When you're evaluating and selecting birds, every bird starts off at a hundred points and defects Count a Individual number of points.
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The higher the point value, that's, the more that tells you where you need to start putting your emphasis.
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An extra point on a comb is only a half point cut.
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Versus too short of a back would, because the back itself is ten points exactly, when the comb is a total of five, if I remember right.
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I don't have it in front of me.
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Standard bread heritage bird will have all the production qualities because it's going to have the body capacity in theory.
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And and.
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I'll be, I'll tell you.
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You're breeding a dual-purpose bird, or whatever your standard is.
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That's what you should be breeding, not just a pretty bird.
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There's a whole section in the standard of perfection that in monitor exhibitors and judges To pay attention to the production of ability of a bird Does it happen often, very infrequently, to people who are showing birds pay attention to that and and that's what really damaged a lot of our dual-purpose birds and standard red birds.
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Yeah, and I was late to the party.
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So we do have the preservation of genetics to thank for them to get absolutely even the genetics are still alive today Is because of the show people exactly, mandy.
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You started to say something and we walked all over you there.
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Yeah, and I forgot what it was.
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I feel like I was late to the party on Doing this whole utility thing in the midst of how exhibition has gone over the past 50 years or so, where a lot of those dual-purpose attributes were lost in favor of aesthetics.
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And when I'm at a show and I'm walking the aisles, I really will walk every single aisle of every single breed in the entire building.
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And well, when you go to the L I national this year, you bet have two pairs of good walking shoes with you, because you're gonna wear a couple.
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Now just wear my favorites, we'll be alright.
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There's probably.
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I walked it twice.
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Last time I was up at Ohio.
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Yeah, and then when I would go out on.
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Smoke breaks, I'd find some other people and we cluster up and talk about chickens until we were Well educated that's a fun part about going to shows folks is the friendships and the fellowship.
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That's the best part.
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That means more to me than winning prizes just being around other poultry, people that understand our Whatever we want to call it our passion.
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So once you get a gaggle of bird people together man, is it a?
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Gaggle or a flock and Is whatever bird term you want to use.
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Well, I use a non bird term.
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It's a train load of folks.
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Well, that's vintage.
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Well, what would you expect from me?
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I've been it myself, getting back to reading, to the standard.
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If we don't breed to a written standard, we're gonna wind up breeding birds that don't look like that don't perform like Breeds, what the as the breed was developed to do.
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Well, you can get dangerously close to having birds that are more similar to Well, what's the term?
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Barnyard mixes and stuff where you can't Accurately figure out what they are like.
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One hybrid that comes to mind is Easter eggers and how they interchangeably use Americana as a breed name, and that's doing the purebred birds a disservice, because they're dramatically different, because an actual SOP bred.
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Americana has set color parameters, yeah, set standards and there's Goals to achieve in their breeding versus an Easter egg or that can be any color and lay any color egg and.
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Well, mandy, that can happen in a lot of other breeds to Rhode Island reds, for example, hantry Rhode Island reds and standard bred reds do not look like the same breed.
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I heard that the hatchery Rhode Islands are more of a production red type of bird.
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Exactly.
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Well, they're satisfying a requirement from a different customer.
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Exactly.
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And that's breaking like the standard manding.
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If you just look through a hatchery catalog online or if you've got a hard copy, just flip through there.
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Take a good look at the birds bodies.
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You will see the vast majority of birds in that catalog or online catalog have the same identical body shape.
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There's no body differences.
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There's no type differences.
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That's if they're even using real pictures.
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Some of them use art.
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Well, I don't know if we can mention specific hatcheries, but I know Murray Mcmurray has pictures of their parent flocks at the very.
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You know they're proud of the fact that they have Amish farmers who keep their parent flocks and will tour them at least twice a year.
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But aren't they one of the only hatcheries that actually went through the certification process for SOP?
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I?
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think they have like five varieties Four or five varieties.
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I'm really interested to see what becomes of this, because that's something that's desperately needed on a larger scale.
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Yeah, they have the resources to do this.
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Well, not only that, that certification process requires them to be certified by licensed APA judges.
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Yes.
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So there is definitely value in that certification process.
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And it has to be a majority that meet it.
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Not just some, but a majority.
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More than 50%.
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Yeah, I think that's great.
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It's going to help move the poultry industry forward.
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Only if the consumers care.
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I think they will, and I'm seeing that shift in the consumers acquiring the knowledge to realize that there is a difference between hatchery stock and standard bred stock and almost 100%, when they look at the two side by side, prefer the look and the appearance of standard bred poultry over.
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The same breed has just not been selected for that.
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If we have some of these hatcheries that are going to close that gap, I'm all for that.
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We'll see how it all pans out in the future.
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Yeah, it's like anything else in life.
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You know, change takes time.
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Well, it's going to give the new perspective poultry keeper, slash breeder the ability to, you know, start with better stock, and I think that's a good thing.
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Yeah, and they're going to be breeding to this standard of perfection, so they should.
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The new poultry person should be able to continue that very easily.
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They have the blueprint in the book.
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All they have to do is continue it Exactly right.
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And I know people like us talking about it.
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That's a big reason why we're do what we do.
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I thought it was just hanging out.
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Well, that too it goes back to that whole trainload of folks, you know.
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But, Mandy, what's your thoughts on using extreme birds and what do you consider an extreme bird?
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Oh boy, do I have experience there.
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So you guys already know that I'm a big fan of utility and production traits.
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So there was a season where I got some incredibly monster birds as a result of what I had done leading up to that point, and I would call them extreme and their width and their growth rate and they were just monsters.
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So I bred them and it gave me a ton of problems where form lost the function and I saw where it went too far and I had to scale it back and I had to go take some of my hands back to a dainty or more refined male to get back to the birds who could chicken well, and I saw some instances of leg issues where they were bow legged and they didn't have the bone density to support their mass and it got sloppy, it got messy, it got call heavy and that's where I was like, oh OK.
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So that's the breaking point.
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Now we have to backtrack and go into salvage, because I took an extreme and bred it and it didn't work out well at all.
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Did you notice it doing anything to your fertility and your hatchability?
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Well, I didn't have them long enough to find that out.
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They just weren't chickening that great.
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They didn't have the gumption to get up and go.
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They couldn't get up on roost, they couldn't.
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I lost a lot of function so I didn't even give it the time to find out about the deeper ramifications there.
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I called that.
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That's the electrical structure.
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I went back to the drawing board that season.
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That's the wise leader in you.
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Well, thankfully I had the birds available to backtrack it.
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I did not put my whole flock feature onto those monster birds.
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Going on, I'm going to make the biggest birds in the country.
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No, I didn't.
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It was an epic failure.
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That part alarms me with some breeds and I'm not going to pick on any breeds right here, but some folks are constantly selecting for fast maturity, big body size, fast maturity and big body size, the other ramification is you can lose that size as quick as you found it, because if your females mature too early and then that subsequent generation after that it's gone.
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Because her egg size didn't come up, the chick size suffered Like you'll see it once for a generation and then if you try to pursue it further it'll all fall apart on you.
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Well, and the Cornish Cross Broiler is a classic example.
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Those birds are bred to be extreme.
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They have leg problems, they have heart problems, they can't handle heat, they can't handle cold weather very well.
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They can't move.
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All they do is just sit and eat and drink.
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And all of them are like a four-way terminal cross hybrid.
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No 16.
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I thought that was like the minimum generations that went into the development.
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That it takes 16 different crosses to produce the Cornish Cross we see as a broiler.
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I wish John's hand signals that he's going through right now were available for viewing.
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The final and you've got two to make that, four made that, 16 made that.
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So it's one, two, three, four generations to make the final bird, and that is definitely a terminal cross.
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It's incapable.
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And each one of those generations of breeding crosses are made to produce a particular result.
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You know, it may be the obesity gene, it may be the dwarf gene.
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That's why so many broiler the slow growing broiler like the Red Rangers and stuff like that you cross those together you're going to get about 25% of those birds are going to be dwarf.
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I heard somewhere, and I can't remember where, but that they had introduced the dwarf gene so that anyone who attempted to line breed to make their own flock from it would, within three generations, suffer the loss of size that they had to go back and reap.
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That could be speculation and rumor though to with the dwarf gene.
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It was very closely linked to the obesity gene.
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Interesting.
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And the, the broiler folks first grabbed onto that dwarf gene from a white legged, believe it or not, and if you, keep them short and compact.
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And if it was tied in with that obesity gene then you get that exploded size on that shorter structure.
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Well and many you process a lot of your own birds.
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Like and explain the difference between the size of your birds, legs and wings to a Cornish cross.
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Bird legs and wings.
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Longer by a lot.
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Yes.
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Dwarf gene at work.
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Oh yeah, because it would shorten all that up and make it more compact and then you get that double muscle defect.
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And they don't walk around as much, so they're therefore not walking off weight.
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Yeah, what do you guys think of the folks who constrict the feeding regimen on the Cornish cross so that then they can use them briefly for hybridized projects?
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Because I always see that as like a really short term project, like it's going to, it's going to have a shelf life.
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For how long that could be sustained?
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Giving example to that.
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To answer that, the New Hampshire's from the Henry and old line they the hatchery told me one time when I was thinking about using them in a cross, said when you breed them you're going to get about 25% dwarf birds and when you raise them you have to feed them just every other day or they get so big, they die early, they develop leg problems and they can't breathe and and to get good egg production you got to restrict their feet just because they grow so big.
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I had a friend and I had I helped him on year evaluate his New Hampshire's who's out on Ben.
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So as a newwick do have a Antiohen standard and I have, he pulled out some birds for me to look at.
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He said now these are my black ops bird and there was cockroach that were weighing 17 to 20 pounds.
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Wow, and a chicken, that's turkey weight.
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Those things worry you out, just picking them up and evaluating them.
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But what he had done?
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He'd crossed in a red but red Ranger and and literally their legs were big around his two of my fingers.
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Put together, they were huge like the lower leg, the scaly part.
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Yeah, the shanks, but he didn't keep that over and on.
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I'd imagine.
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Not because they had to limit feed them.
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Matt has a whole other level of tedium to your daily chore list.
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Well, you bring up a very good topic of Feed and nutrition and its effect on the birds and the feed conversion rate Versus age of processing.
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And what's the sweet spot that keeps you in a sustainable territory rather than commercial?
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Well, I think, no matter what, we need a high quality, nutrient rich diet, and then oh yeah energy and calories.
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Well, Think of it this way if we need, what you feed those breeders translates directly To the quality of the hatching egg, which translates directly to the quality of the baby chick you get.
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Absolutely.
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What's the first thing a human female does when she finds out she's pregnant?
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Start taking folic acid.
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